Sunday, April 06, 2008

Hybrid Cars and the Adirondacks

In December of 2007 the old Subaru went down for the count and it was time for a new car. We got lucky (likely because it was December, not exactly a banner month for car sales) and found the Honda Civic hybrid we were looking for in Schenectady - it was the only one they had and we bought it on the spot.

At first, many of our friends, relatives, and neighbors showed some skepticism. They asked whether we thought we were jumping in to a new, unproven, technology. Some congratulated us for being ahead of the curve. Others wondered about the pick-up, asked if the batteries would hold-up for long drives in the mountains, questioned the costs of repairs, how it would handle in the ice and snow -you name it, they asked it.

So on the flip are some observations about our Hybrid experience so far.



The four-door Honda Civic that we bought doesn't look funny - aside from the hybrid label on the back and the more streamlined look, it appears generally like most other current sedans.

Most folks who ride along have no idea it's a hybrid unless we tell them. The car has the same pick-up as comparable automatics of its size. The only clue it's a hybrid from the inside are the gauges and the fact that it shuts off when you come to a stop. Once you lift your foot off the brake, it starts right up again and you're off. If the stereo is on, and you don't know it's happening, you can't tell. On a related note - if we got rid of all the unnecessary stop signs in America and replaced them with yield signs we would save a LOT of gas.

Overall the mileage could be better. Although it's rated for 45 mpg, we've gotten only 36 on average so far. Even so, I'm sure the old Subaru got a lot less then it was rated for - the bottom line is we've cut our monthly gas bill about 35 percent. Every car should have a current mpg gauge - just seeing how our driving is wasting gas has offered us as much savings as the hybrid technology.

As we've learned to drive the hybrid, we've gotten better mileage. We stared with about 32 on average, but since there's a gauge showing the current mpg and a trip setting, we've been making a contest to see who can get the best mileage - I recently got an even 42 mpg on a trip to Albany and back. The trick we've learned is to keep the speed down on the highway (69 instead of 72), keep the cruise-control on, and keep the rpms below 3,000 when climbing large hills. We could probably make the 45 mpg average if we drove only 55 on the highway, which is not going to happen. It's true that the mileage is considerably better in the city, primarily because the speeds are in the 20s, 30s, or 40s.

The way gas prices are rising (our theory is $4 by Labor Day, then it falls off again just before the election and rises considerably afterward) - we're counting on our hybrid keeping its value enough to allow us to upgrade in two years when hopefully electric cars will be available at a reasonable price - that may be wishful thinking.

As far as the Adirondack conditions, the car climbs hills normally but it's front wheel drive and does not even closely compare with the Subaru - that's why we've kept our older Legacy wagon. When the weather is bad - like it's been lately (and the Suuby has made legendary trips lately!) - we take the wagon. When the roads are dry, we take the hybrid. Since we live on a fairly main road, we could probably manage with only the hybrid, otherwise it would have to be one of the four-wheel drive models that naturally get much worse mileage. The combination we have now makes a lot more economic sense.

There you have it - I'd be interested in others comments on the hybrid experiences in the mountains.



9 Comments:

Ginny Brady said...

I have a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid standard 4 door. It's the best car I've ever had. I drive 60 mph on the Northway and consistently get @51 mpg. The only thing that takes my breath away is that the last time I filled up in Clinton Co it cost me @ $40. I can drive quite far on that which pleases me no end.

Darren said...

You get two large round-of-applauses from me. First for having the gumption to drop the gas guzzling SUV in favor of a more eco friendly counter-part. Second, for calling for a reduction in the number of stop signs (Yay!).

As a Brit living in the Northern New York region the number of stop signs I encounter infuriates me to no end. Most of them are utterly pointless, where (as you said) a Yield would be sufficient. We do not have nearly as many stop signs in England and so it has been one of my most common complaints since moving over here.

As for the Hybrid, I welcome your comments because I'm interested in purchasing one but have concerns about performance in difficult weather conditions, cost of maintenance and general mileage performance versus regular cars. I'm assuming that the battery performs without any problems in the sometimes extreme cold conditions? I also assume that you would achieve much better mileage if your driving was more round-the-town, as it sounds like you have to drive long distances sometimes, which will obviously lower your mileage.

I'm actually REALLY interested in getting a pure electric vehicle but as you allude to, the technology is not quite mainstream enough to make it economical right now.

Again, I applaud you for moving away from the "bigger is better" mentality and the need to drive a car that gets 15 miles to the gallon.

The Almanack Editor said...

Ginny, WOW... 51 mpg... I wish I could slow my world down to five miles below the speed limit on the highway - something tells me that is not going to happen - and frankly, it shouldn't be necessary, Automakers should offer choices that give good mileage and don't require you to be a slow-poke.

Darren, I never owned a gas guzzling SUV, I owned a small five-speed Subaru, but with all wheel drive and it's older age (1998) I was getting a LOT worse mileage.

The battery performance has been no problem at all, even when we got down to 20 below this year. We do drive on the highway for long trips and around town would get you much better mpg. Around 45 miles per hour I seem to get the best mpg.

Get one - if you can find one. It's well worth it. No matter what, it will hold it's value until the all-electrics are available at a reasonable price.

Mark said...

I drive a 2003 Honda Insight CVT (continuously variable automatic transmission). My average millage is a disappointing 53 and this low number results from hills and cold weather. I get well above 60 on trips. The car works well at 25 below. The handling in snow is about what you would expect from a 1600 pound car with 4 inches of clearance. I car-pool with my wife, and if the snow is deep we take her Subaru.

The Almanack Editor said...

I'd love to get a Honda Insight, but they don't make them anymore. Just another example of how car makers are holding us back from real choices.

According to wikipedia:

"Upon the Insight's release, Honda challenged several automotive magazines to a competition to see who could obtain the best mileage on the 195-mile (314 km) drive from Columbus, Ohio to Detroit. The contest was won by Car and Driver magazine, which rigged a box behind an SUV, and had the Insight drive within the confines of the box. Without any wind resistance, the Insight made the trip with mileage of 121.7 miles per gallon, while averaging 58 miles per hour."

"In 2006, Honda decided to cancel production on the Insight because of dwindling sales and rising sales of the Honda Civic Hybrid. Hybrid insiders also noted the fact that the Insight was only a 2-seater made the Toyota Prius the preferred choice for those desiring to drive green."

I'd like to see a two-seater all-wheel drive hybrid electric or all electric (with long range capabilities) - that would be my next choice.

Matt Funiciello said...

Dear Almanack,

I've owned one of the hybrid SUV's you mention (a 2007 Mercury Mariner) for just over a year. I drive a lot, about 35,000 miles a year, most of which cannot be helped and so, an answer that reduced emissions and consumption seemed logical at the time. I am not remorseful but I am disappointed that it seems purposely "underdesigned", which is an issue Prius-owning friends don't seem to have at all.

My Mariner (basically, a Ford Escape) fits 5 people with relative ease and luggage and isn't too shabby to look at. It has Full Time Four Wheel Drive which works just about as well as any other vehicle Ford puts 4WD on (not necessarily an endorsement). It has great bells and whistles (GPS, auto everything, nice stereo). I can't agree more with what you say about hybrid dashboards teaching you how wasteful your current driving habits are (acceleration in particular).

The vehicle gets about 38 mpg in the city. It does much better on rural highways. In Connecticut and New Hampshire, I can get about 40-45 miles to the gallon because the speed limits are low (45-55 mph). However, on I-87 and other faster highways, the 4 cylinder engine has to work much harder and I only get 27 miles to the gallon (even when I'm being super careful about my speed and acceleration). Since most of my driving is high speed highway driving, my average is about 28 mpg.

I bought my hybrid off the lot just after "Who Killed The Electric Car" came out. As much as there is to like about it and as much as I've saved on gas, I was (and am) severely disappointed with the built-in mediocrities.

1 - The car's battery will only go a few miles on a full charge before the gas engine kicks in to recharge the battery. Why was a larger capacity battery not used? Is GM really still sitting on all those patents? How come Japanese hybrids have such great batteries?

2 - The low end "kick-in" for the gas engine is 28 miles per hour which means that even if the battery is running things just fine at 30 mph, the gas engine automatically kicks in anyway! WTF? Whose in bed with big oil?

3 - I have researched kits to convert my hybrid to a "plug in". These conversion kits allow you to plug your car in to a harness for a few hours at night to recharge the battery. The kits include a battery with larger storage and a computer that sets a higher "kick-in" speed for the gas engine. The kits cost between $10-12,000 dollars and are only available for fleets at the moment! Holy corporate dominance, Batman!

The Mariner was not cheap. I don't really expect it to become any sort of "investment" until gas goes up to over $5 a gallon or more (then again, maybe thats not so far off). I may well opt then for a full electric and keep my 1995 Geo Prism as a backup vehicle. The Prism (basically GM's Toyota Corrola) cost me $1,000 cash a year ago. I've put about $500 into it and we've put about 25,000 miles on it. With no frills at all, the little red beast gets between 35 and 50 mpg. Smaller cars anyone?

Peace,
Matt

The Almanack Editor said...

Interesting article:

Top Ten 2008 Hybrids

xlilkxx said...

I also have a Civic Hybrid 2007 and love it. I am in NYC and get good mileage around the city about 40 mpg. But highway drives/ long distance where there are no stops ie. stop signs/ lights, I do much better. The highest I've gotten on a tank of gas was about 53 mpg average and the highest for a long trip was about 56 mpg; Which isnt to bad at all.

Battery capacities are improving all the time, hopefully soon they will get better in cars and beable to help out even more and be available to the masses..

Thanks for this article though

---Kay
xlilkxx (AIM)

Alternative Fuel Vehicles said...

I haven't try to experience any of the Hybrid cars so far. But I heard some of the feedbacks regarding some experience on Hybrid cars, all feedbacks were great to the point that I am dying so hard now just to purchase one of this